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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://higley1000.com/archives/29/comment-page-1#comment-1975</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last I heard, Mountain Brook High School had two Asian students, adopted from abroad, five Hispanics and no African Americans..is this the whitest town in America? One white school boy from Mountain Brook took home an Asian girl and her parents told her not to step into their house. The only problem was this happened half way round the world in Singapore where his parents are on assignment and the girl was a local, a daughter of a Chinese multimillionaire! You can take a Mountain Brooker out of bigotry but you cannot take bigotry out of a Mountain Brooker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I heard, Mountain Brook High School had two Asian students, adopted from abroad, five Hispanics and no African Americans..is this the whitest town in America? One white school boy from Mountain Brook took home an Asian girl and her parents told her not to step into their house. The only problem was this happened half way round the world in Singapore where his parents are on assignment and the girl was a local, a daughter of a Chinese multimillionaire! You can take a Mountain Brooker out of bigotry but you cannot take bigotry out of a Mountain Brooker!</p>
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		<title>By: Mae238</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mae238</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, oh, Kevin...
In this case, the &quot;98.64% White&quot; statistic includes the &quot;Jewish&quot; people. Racial diversity usually does not mean people of different religions or denominations.  The remaining numbers, such as 0.04% Native American, 0.65% Asian, are hardly diverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, oh, Kevin&#8230;<br />
In this case, the &#8220;98.64% White&#8221; statistic includes the &#8220;Jewish&#8221; people. Racial diversity usually does not mean people of different religions or denominations.  The remaining numbers, such as 0.04% Native American, 0.65% Asian, are hardly diverse.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://higley1000.com/archives/29/comment-page-1#comment-1513</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mountain Brook has many Jewish people, Asian people, &amp; Indians.&quot; Kevin..Oh really!! No wonder they say Americans including white Americans cannot count and they need foreigners to work in engineering occupations...

&quot;The racial makeup of the city was 98.64% White, 0.31% Black or African American, 0.04% Native American, 0.65% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.12% from other races, and 0.22% from two or more races. 0.58% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Brook,_Alabama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mountain Brook has many Jewish people, Asian people, &amp; Indians.&#8221; Kevin..Oh really!! No wonder they say Americans including white Americans cannot count and they need foreigners to work in engineering occupations&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The racial makeup of the city was 98.64% White, 0.31% Black or African American, 0.04% Native American, 0.65% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.12% from other races, and 0.22% from two or more races. 0.58% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Brook,_Alabama" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Brook,_Alabama</a></p>
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		<title>By: kimberly</title>
		<link>http://higley1000.com/archives/29/comment-page-1#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator>kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, yes, I too have been privy to racist comments.  Isn&#039;t it unnerving when such comments are said in your presence, and the assumption is that you agree with them?  It places you in the position of either speaking out against them (which in turn thrusts you into the position of an outsider or sell-out), or remaining silent (which gives the illusion that you are in agreement with the sentiments expressed).  

I understand your finding encouragement in the lack of racism expressed by your students.  I too was encouraged by the experience I had at ASFA, where racism was absolutely not allowed.  In some ways, I thought that my generation would herald in a change of attitudes within the city.  Unfortunately, that does not seem  to be the case.

I also understand what you mean about Montevallo being a world apart.  For many years, I lived in Columbia, MD -- a bedroom community between Baltimore and Washington, DC.  I found it to be the closest I&#039;ve come to in terms of a place that was all inclusive.  

Perhaps I will explore Montevallo the next time I get an inkling to move back home :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, yes, I too have been privy to racist comments.  Isn&#8217;t it unnerving when such comments are said in your presence, and the assumption is that you agree with them?  It places you in the position of either speaking out against them (which in turn thrusts you into the position of an outsider or sell-out), or remaining silent (which gives the illusion that you are in agreement with the sentiments expressed).  </p>
<p>I understand your finding encouragement in the lack of racism expressed by your students.  I too was encouraged by the experience I had at ASFA, where racism was absolutely not allowed.  In some ways, I thought that my generation would herald in a change of attitudes within the city.  Unfortunately, that does not seem  to be the case.</p>
<p>I also understand what you mean about Montevallo being a world apart.  For many years, I lived in Columbia, MD &#8212; a bedroom community between Baltimore and Washington, DC.  I found it to be the closest I&#8217;ve come to in terms of a place that was all inclusive.  </p>
<p>Perhaps I will explore Montevallo the next time I get an inkling to move back home <img src='http://higley1000.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Higley</title>
		<link>http://higley1000.com/archives/29/comment-page-1#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Higley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree that the fault lies on both sides of the racial divide. The best example of this on transportation issues. The mass transit system is a joke and would need a major infusion of public money to be any where near adequate. While Charlotte forges ahead with a state of the art mass transit system, Birmingham can&#039;t keep 50 buses running. I am very discouraged by racist comments I hear from my neighbors. I am encouraged by the fact that the students at the University of Montevallo are NOT racist (nor homophobic). Unfortunately, I fear that Montevallo is a pleasant little world that doesn&#039;t really represent what the people of Shelby County are really thinking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree that the fault lies on both sides of the racial divide. The best example of this on transportation issues. The mass transit system is a joke and would need a major infusion of public money to be any where near adequate. While Charlotte forges ahead with a state of the art mass transit system, Birmingham can&#8217;t keep 50 buses running. I am very discouraged by racist comments I hear from my neighbors. I am encouraged by the fact that the students at the University of Montevallo are NOT racist (nor homophobic). Unfortunately, I fear that Montevallo is a pleasant little world that doesn&#8217;t really represent what the people of Shelby County are really thinking</p>
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		<title>By: kimberly</title>
		<link>http://higley1000.com/archives/29/comment-page-1#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.  I just finished reading your article and found it to be interesting and informative.  I am an African American woman who grew up in the Ensley projects, and who left the city of Birmingham nearly 25 years ago.  I must say, that much of what your wrote is very true.  The city has always been very segregated, both racially and economically.  I, however, had the good fortune to attend one of the more progressive schools in the city, the Alabama School of Fine Arts (ASFA).  As a result, I feel that I was in a priviledged position where I was able to move through various sectors of the city.  

While I was raised in the entirely Black community of the Ensley projects (the brickyard), the vast majority of my classmates were White.  Their economic backgrounds ranged from poor, to middle class, to very wealthy.  But the common thread that we all had was our love for the arts, and to a degree, the fact that we were all misfits within our own communities.  My attendance at the school allowed me access to places that I may not have otherwise been allowed:  I  attended parties with the pedigreed children of old money Mountain Brook; I played tennis with kids in Vestavia; I skinned catfish with kids from Cahaba; and I had dinner with middle class Black kids in Homewood.  And every day, I came home to the brickyard, where I saw drug dealers plying their goods; saw mothers, tired and frustrated after working &quot;over the mountain&quot;, come home and cook dinner for their children; and saw young boys and girls try to find their way to becoming adults.  The point that I&#039;m making is that the experience instilled in me a sense that I was not by other people&#039;s low expectations of me.  And the fact that my mother instilled that the brickyard was where I was from, not where I was headed.

In my humble opinion, the biggest obstacle to Birmingham&#039;s success is the lack of common effort.  The us against them attitude has led to a city that is fractured, with citizens who are distrustful of one another. It is Black against White, rich against poor, and a middle class that is trying desperately to move on up the side of the mountain, all the while hoping that they don&#039;t lose thier footing which would plunge them into poverty.

Over the years, I&#039;ve considered many times moving back to Birmingham.  There are many good things about the area, but the things that are wrong are really, really wrong, and are just too much.  The lack of cooperation among the different sectors; the lack of diversity; the finger pointing and blaming (the Blacks saying all whites are racists who are keeping them down, and the Whites saying all Blacks are thugs and welfare mothers); the corruption; the disparity between rich and poor - is just too much. And it is just too very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.  I just finished reading your article and found it to be interesting and informative.  I am an African American woman who grew up in the Ensley projects, and who left the city of Birmingham nearly 25 years ago.  I must say, that much of what your wrote is very true.  The city has always been very segregated, both racially and economically.  I, however, had the good fortune to attend one of the more progressive schools in the city, the Alabama School of Fine Arts (ASFA).  As a result, I feel that I was in a priviledged position where I was able to move through various sectors of the city.  </p>
<p>While I was raised in the entirely Black community of the Ensley projects (the brickyard), the vast majority of my classmates were White.  Their economic backgrounds ranged from poor, to middle class, to very wealthy.  But the common thread that we all had was our love for the arts, and to a degree, the fact that we were all misfits within our own communities.  My attendance at the school allowed me access to places that I may not have otherwise been allowed:  I  attended parties with the pedigreed children of old money Mountain Brook; I played tennis with kids in Vestavia; I skinned catfish with kids from Cahaba; and I had dinner with middle class Black kids in Homewood.  And every day, I came home to the brickyard, where I saw drug dealers plying their goods; saw mothers, tired and frustrated after working &#8220;over the mountain&#8221;, come home and cook dinner for their children; and saw young boys and girls try to find their way to becoming adults.  The point that I&#8217;m making is that the experience instilled in me a sense that I was not by other people&#8217;s low expectations of me.  And the fact that my mother instilled that the brickyard was where I was from, not where I was headed.</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, the biggest obstacle to Birmingham&#8217;s success is the lack of common effort.  The us against them attitude has led to a city that is fractured, with citizens who are distrustful of one another. It is Black against White, rich against poor, and a middle class that is trying desperately to move on up the side of the mountain, all the while hoping that they don&#8217;t lose thier footing which would plunge them into poverty.</p>
<p>Over the years, I&#8217;ve considered many times moving back to Birmingham.  There are many good things about the area, but the things that are wrong are really, really wrong, and are just too much.  The lack of cooperation among the different sectors; the lack of diversity; the finger pointing and blaming (the Blacks saying all whites are racists who are keeping them down, and the Whites saying all Blacks are thugs and welfare mothers); the corruption; the disparity between rich and poor &#8211; is just too much. And it is just too very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 17:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Mountain Brook and now live in Vestavia. I am not sure why people associate diversity more heavily with African Americans than other races.  Mountain Brook has many Jewish people, Asian people, &amp; Indians.  It is true the Hispanic and African American numbers are low and Caucasian are high.  Mountain Brook as a city isn&#039;t exclusionary it is an economic issue and an issue of choice.  I found that most people weren&#039;t racist or prejudice in my generation (I’m 28).  The comment about hate between African American from the inner city and whites from the suburbs is just not true in my experience.  The real issue is the difference between the poor and the wealthy.  The actual city of Birmingham has been run so poorly for so long resulting in less opportunity for the people who live there while driving the affluent taxpaying citizens away.  This situation polarizes people economically while disenfranchising the poor further due to lack of funds for education.  The result of all this is that Birmingham lost its tax base. They haven&#039;t learned and continues to make bad policy decisions toward businesses.  The other reason for the exodus of the affluent is crime.  More serious crimes happen in Birmingham and the police for seem to be all but powerless to stop it.  This is due impart to the city leadership, and pay for Birmingham police.  The point I am trying to make is that the real issue in the metro area is one of poor and rich, for the most part the poor live in Birmingham proper and the rich live in the suburbs.  The poor just happen to be mostly African American. Until the City of Birmingham gets its act together there will still be a divide between its citizens, one not of race but of wealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Mountain Brook and now live in Vestavia. I am not sure why people associate diversity more heavily with African Americans than other races.  Mountain Brook has many Jewish people, Asian people, &amp; Indians.  It is true the Hispanic and African American numbers are low and Caucasian are high.  Mountain Brook as a city isn&#8217;t exclusionary it is an economic issue and an issue of choice.  I found that most people weren&#8217;t racist or prejudice in my generation (I’m 28).  The comment about hate between African American from the inner city and whites from the suburbs is just not true in my experience.  The real issue is the difference between the poor and the wealthy.  The actual city of Birmingham has been run so poorly for so long resulting in less opportunity for the people who live there while driving the affluent taxpaying citizens away.  This situation polarizes people economically while disenfranchising the poor further due to lack of funds for education.  The result of all this is that Birmingham lost its tax base. They haven&#8217;t learned and continues to make bad policy decisions toward businesses.  The other reason for the exodus of the affluent is crime.  More serious crimes happen in Birmingham and the police for seem to be all but powerless to stop it.  This is due impart to the city leadership, and pay for Birmingham police.  The point I am trying to make is that the real issue in the metro area is one of poor and rich, for the most part the poor live in Birmingham proper and the rich live in the suburbs.  The poor just happen to be mostly African American. Until the City of Birmingham gets its act together there will still be a divide between its citizens, one not of race but of wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: americana</title>
		<link>http://higley1000.com/archives/29/comment-page-1#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>americana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 23:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are plenty of well-to-do African-American families that could afford to live in Mountain Brook, however, they choose not to. This is a mystery I have not been able to figure out at this time. Anyone with some ideas, please leave a note below.&quot;

I am an African American that chose NOT to move to Mountain Brook, because even though they have the &quot;best&quot; education system....they have no diversity in the schools. What is that teaching those children?  They have no contact with non-white cultures other than their nannies / household workers. What they know about other cultures comes from the media--which can, many times, incorrect. I want my child to feel like it is okay to be African American, Hispanic, Asian, mixed.....and to also interact with people of ALL origins and socio-economical backgrounds. 

Natalie Holloway came from the Mountain Brooke area....and of course not all kids are like that, but I said that to say, you have to be around different people so that when you get out into the real world you know how to interact with many types....you have street sense, yes there are dangerous places and you can&#039;t ALWAYS avoid them by living in a fortress on the other side of town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are plenty of well-to-do African-American families that could afford to live in Mountain Brook, however, they choose not to. This is a mystery I have not been able to figure out at this time. Anyone with some ideas, please leave a note below.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am an African American that chose NOT to move to Mountain Brook, because even though they have the &#8220;best&#8221; education system&#8230;.they have no diversity in the schools. What is that teaching those children?  They have no contact with non-white cultures other than their nannies / household workers. What they know about other cultures comes from the media&#8211;which can, many times, incorrect. I want my child to feel like it is okay to be African American, Hispanic, Asian, mixed&#8230;..and to also interact with people of ALL origins and socio-economical backgrounds. </p>
<p>Natalie Holloway came from the Mountain Brooke area&#8230;.and of course not all kids are like that, but I said that to say, you have to be around different people so that when you get out into the real world you know how to interact with many types&#8230;.you have street sense, yes there are dangerous places and you can&#8217;t ALWAYS avoid them by living in a fortress on the other side of town.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As mentioned previously, Mountain Brook is incredibly white. Not one of the 62 African-Americans that lived in Mountain Brook in the 2000 Census was a householder. My guess is that they would mostly be live-in servants. There are plenty of well-to-do African-American families that could afford to live in Mountain Brook, however, they choose not to. This is a mystery I have not been able to figure out at this time. Anyone with some ideas, please leave a note below.&quot;

I believe that there are no Asian or Asian American households in Mountain Brook. So, it is not just the African Americans. Many Asian Americans do not find the place very welcoming either and this includes wealthy Asian Americans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As mentioned previously, Mountain Brook is incredibly white. Not one of the 62 African-Americans that lived in Mountain Brook in the 2000 Census was a householder. My guess is that they would mostly be live-in servants. There are plenty of well-to-do African-American families that could afford to live in Mountain Brook, however, they choose not to. This is a mystery I have not been able to figure out at this time. Anyone with some ideas, please leave a note below.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that there are no Asian or Asian American households in Mountain Brook. So, it is not just the African Americans. Many Asian Americans do not find the place very welcoming either and this includes wealthy Asian Americans!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Deerfield, Il. which at the time was middleclass,
but east of I-41 is mostly old money, that&#039;s a very solid
100,000 in population base.  There is no comparison in 
these wealthier communities in Birmingham compared to the
Northshore

The biggest factor, politics and corruption.  It&#039;s nonexsistent for the most part on the Northshore

Birmingham, including the wealthier areas, in a City where
corruption is the norm, probably the biggest factor.  Certainly the City is corrupt, Jefferson County is a disgrace,
and the State, one of the most corrupt.

That is honestly the difference between areas close to the Northshore and Birmingham.  I did not know anything of how politics and corruption works because there was none.  Relocate to Birmingham, corruption is the norm and it&#039;s thoroughly politicized

There is absolutely no comparison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Deerfield, Il. which at the time was middleclass,<br />
but east of I-41 is mostly old money, that&#8217;s a very solid<br />
100,000 in population base.  There is no comparison in<br />
these wealthier communities in Birmingham compared to the<br />
Northshore</p>
<p>The biggest factor, politics and corruption.  It&#8217;s nonexsistent for the most part on the Northshore</p>
<p>Birmingham, including the wealthier areas, in a City where<br />
corruption is the norm, probably the biggest factor.  Certainly the City is corrupt, Jefferson County is a disgrace,<br />
and the State, one of the most corrupt.</p>
<p>That is honestly the difference between areas close to the Northshore and Birmingham.  I did not know anything of how politics and corruption works because there was none.  Relocate to Birmingham, corruption is the norm and it&#8217;s thoroughly politicized</p>
<p>There is absolutely no comparison</p>
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